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Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.27 16:46:00 - [1] - Quote Is it a scout or assault? Really ccp, it's more effective than a scout at shotgun in the city because of shield survivability, and don't bring up Ewar when seeing him doesn't give you an advantage at all! I still have to stop him! Stopping him is the problem! He's going to shotgun you before you can stop him every time. The suit's encroachment into other roles is a bit annoying! The min assault is now used often as a sprint deployment fit that can beat scouts into to city, while having superior survivability? Ewar means squat when he'll just survive every attack?! It's movement speed and sprint speed is still insane even after the 20% nerf to overall speed. This is a heaping advantage that helps it survive an insane amount of attacks! To be fair, I do agree with it being the fastest assault suit in comparison to other assaults. Especially with the ACR receiving a range nerf. However, that fast? The assault speed should not blur the lines with scout speed?! The slot layout on the min assault just allows it to basically be a tanked scout with less Ewar?! Do you intend to look at this? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.27 17:34:00 - [2] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: tffvbhb wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Is it a scout or assault? Really ccp, it's more effective than a scout at shotgun in the city because of shield survivability, and don't bring up Ewar when seeing him doesn't give you an advantage at all! I still have to stop him! Stopping him is the problem! He's going to shotgun you before you can stop him every time. The suit's encroachment into other roles is a bit annoying! The min assault is now used often as a sprint deployment fit that can beat scouts into to city, while having superior survivability? Ewar means squat when he'll just survive every attack?! It's movement speed and sprint speed is still insane even after the 20% nerf to overall speed. This is a heaping advantage that helps it survive an insane amount of attacks! To be fair, I do agree with it being the fastest assault suit in comparison to other assaults. Especially with the ACR receiving a range nerf. However, that fast? The assault speed should not blur the lines with scout speed?! The slot layout on the min assault just allows it to basically be a tanked scout with less Ewar?! Do you intend to look at this? my scout runs at 11.12 a mIn assault cant get that fast Your scout is also paper thin and will be obliterated in under a second due to aim assist. Point and case It's great that the scout can run away, but how do you get to your ultimate objective.... you know? THE POINT! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.27 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So you say the Minmatar Assault is encroaching into the role of scouts? Why do we never here the same argument when Gallente Assault's use stealth, when Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's, when the Amarr Scout is used as an Assault, when scouts play as logistics, when Commandos are better at assaulting than Assaults, when logistics play as assaults or when heavies biotic tank? Why ostracize the Minmatar Assault when just about any suit can "encroach" into the realm of other suits? What's the point of having all modules available to all suits if players cannot modify suits to their needs? Alot of suit's can do this you point out, but none so abusively as the min assault. Show me a scout that can stop him.... Scouts as assaults cripple the team in Ewar, and often can't perform this garbage in PC unless they're modding or using a glitch. Certain names of scrubs come to mind lol! The min assault will survive an engagement with a scout SG v SG every time often one shotting the scout. He's so fast that even if you're behind him he'll shirk of the first shot with his higher shield defense, jump turn, and 1 shot the scout?! He often carries a shotgun or MD. Both weapons are capable of obliterating scouts while the min assault has a deadly combo of speed and shield. There's a ton of weapon and dropsuit mix and match that is cool to play, but most don't completely destroy other roles in their primary zone like the min assault v scout. Gallente assaults use stealth because their primary weapon sucks lol! Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's because lolscrub lol! Try that bs in PC if you dare lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.27 23:07:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So you say the Minmatar Assault is encroaching into the role of scouts? Why do we never here the same argument when Gallente Assault's use stealth, when Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's, when the Amarr Scout is used as an Assault, when scouts play as logistics, when Commandos are better at assaulting than Assaults, when logistics play as assaults or when heavies biotic tank? Why ostracize the Minmatar Assault when just about any suit can "encroach" into the realm of other suits? What's the point of having all modules available to all suits if players cannot modify suits to their needs? Alot of suit's can do this you point out, but none so abusively as the min assault. Show me a scout that can stop him.... Scouts as assaults cripple the team in Ewar, and often can't perform this garbage in PC unless they're modding or using a glitch. Certain names of scrubs come to mind lol! The min assault will survive an engagement with a scout SG v SG every time often one shotting the scout. He's so fast that even if you're behind him he'll shirk of the first shot with his higher shield defense, jump turn, and 1 shot the scout?! He often carries a shotgun or MD. Both weapons are capable of obliterating scouts while the min assault has a deadly combo of speed and shield. There's a ton of weapon and dropsuit mix and match that is cool to play, but most don't completely destroy other roles in their primary zone like the min assault v scout. Gallente assaults use stealth because their primary weapon sucks lol! Amarr Assault's brick tank with Logi's because lolscrub lol! Try that bs in PC if you dare lol! If everyone of your argument ends the same as that of a teenage girl it's hard to take you seriously. My problem with nerfing Minmatar Assaults is that they were already nerfed seemingly at a whim, and a new nerf is so spontaneous it doesn't make sense. The Minmatar Assault might be out of line when compared to the Caldari Assault, but just about everyone agrees that the Caldari Assault needs a buff in several areas. I find it difficult to believe that as a scout you are being severely out maneuvered in CQC. If you are playing stealthy then you should be finding them not the other way around. If your playstyle is more of a dueling/one-v.-one style of engagement then you should drop the dampeners and use your scout as more of a light assault. Scouts are fine though. They are at their most popular, and just about everyone that considers themselves scout centric tend to see themselves as the strongest foot unit. I just don't see how a Minmatar Assault with a shotgun is any worse than a Gallente Assault with dampeners and triple Complex Damage Modifers and a Prototype Tactical AR. Chances are that if the Minmatar Assaults were nerfed enough to be as slow as the Gallente and Caldari Assault's you, and people who support your original post would go on to attack the racial strengths of other suits. Your argument is that of someone who plays pubs against moronic blues/reds more than someone who runs in a PC team. When the enemy is daft and still learning what a buttstock is, then all this stealth and tactics works. However, when you'reup against a team of hardened veterans who specialize in killing 250 clones in 15 mins! Things are a little different! Alot of people base their arguments on pub experiences when they say that something is or isn't broken, or imbalanced. You know how many galmando with SG you will see in PC? None! Why? Because it's impractical as all hell! So is tanked scouts of any kind, and while they may serve a singular purpose, they aren't the fit to run the entire match?! Pub "fun fits" are highly impractical in PC! Just because it's fun doesn't mean it's balanced, and if you're truly a skilled player certain changes shouldn't effect your gameplay all that much. When they do effect the outcome of engagements a large percentage of the time is where I take issue, and in what world does the min assault need a buff? Fastest stamina regen, speed to equal scouts, high shield regen, 4/4 slot layout, Combat rifles, MD, sub, flaylock, can fit any combo of mods, best jumpy fit, etc. Are you kidding? It's arguably the best assault fit, and I'm sure the stats show it! In PC you're not dealing with a bunch of guys that don't have an understanding of Ewar, tactics, avenues of approach, and weapon stats. If you are whoo hoo free check lol! Most of the time you're dealing with a full very aware 16 in areas where splash is flying, hmgs are firing, and shotguns are firing! There's an ads dropping death, a tank patrolling, and you've got very little hp to do a huge role with! I've been playing scout in PC for an extremely long time, and hiding all match isn't very useful to the team! It's all fine and dandy to know where the enemy is, but killing him is different! It's a struggle to kill a min assault in any suit, but the scout lacks any real advantage with the current min assault stats. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.28 04:27:00 - [5] - Quote ^ this "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.28 04:30:00 - [6] - Quote Players are always trying to impose upon you tactics they "would" do in this hypothetical bs situation they created in their head, but lacks any type of practical application for these theores lol! This is why so many do poorly in PC, or can't grasp what we mean when we say jump modded min assaults are breaking hit detection. They simply don't understand the battlefield and battlefield situations, or they run this sht fits themselves so balance be dmned "don't nerf me bro"?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.28 05:03:00 - [7] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: The suit's encroachment into other roles is a bit annoying! The min assault is now used often as a sprint deployment fit that can beat scouts into to city, while having superior survivability? Scouts can easily beat the min assault into the city except for maybe the amarr assault (though I think it has a stamina advantage and would win anyway). The rest of your posts are about EWAR, which really does shut down min assaults if they are speed tanking. If you cant utilize wall hacks to stop someone from flanking or getting into shotgun range, you need to get good. This complaint is equal to complaining about tanked scouts, or complaining about myofibril fits, these fits just dont work against a competent enemy, because they are very easily countered with some situational awareness and with some aim. I use a shotgun min assault fitting quite a bit, and if there is a scan spammer on the other team, the fitting is done. You have to switch to scout or to some rifle fitting, or you wont be able to accomplish anything. "I use a shotgun min assault fitting" says it all, and there is no way any scout is taking you out, wall hacks or no wall hacks?! It's a straight counter scout fit and you know it! They don't bring it to the city to fight heavies lol! It's their because it's fast, shield tanked, and no Ewar is gonna stop you! I know where he is, but he's far too tough to kill before being killed! In PC he's gonna gank you or run away, regen, then gank you lol! It can get to any point before you hack it, or just shotgun you and hack it back. Heavies nor assaults can catch it, and when you do he's got a bloody shotgun! Heavies trying to hmg 500 shield on a speedy fit is laughable lol! I can kill them in the open all day, but as a scout trying to infiltrate you know d*mn well that the min assault with shotgun is being used strictly to counter the scouts! Same goes for the min assault myo suits! You wanna tell me how a scout is supposed to kill it when it's leaping through the air, and one MD shot can kill you? Wait I know! Your impeccable gun game kills it all the time right mr. "I use a shotgun assault fitting quite a bit"? Get out of here if you're just biased, and can't look past what is easy for the sake of balance in the game. You same guys swore for months that the AR was "fine"?! THE ASSAULT IS GETTING A BONUS TO THE AR BECAUSE IT WAS NOT FINE! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.28 05:50:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: In my experience, Commandos do a number on shotgun Minassaults. Especially galmando or minmando. speed tanked fastballs rocking damage mods tend to be extremely fragile when you hit 'em with a mass driver. Honestly though, I'm surprised anyone decided to cuss about it. Minmatar have always been the speed race. their dropsuits are pretty much optimized for one of three things. 1: Speed tanked damage mods for fast glass cannon 2: Speed/Shields for fast mover with durability (scramblers eat them alive) 3: Armor/ Damage mods. Minmatar also pay for this by having the lowest base HP in the game. One of these days take a galmando, tank it solidly, and put a shotgun and a BAR/AR/yourfavoriteriflehere and when the minassault bombs in and shoots you, shoot 'em back with your shotgun. Odds are you live through more shots than he does. Agreed in 1v1 ingagements, but you're usually never in many 1v1's in PC. You'll be dead or near to it for the other min assault to finish you off. Everyone keeps giving out these 1v1 scenarios as if that's the only scenario lol! Also, this "low ehp" talk on the min assault really overshadows the fact that they are both shield and armor meaning they are resistant to both shield based weapons and armor based weapons, to a certain degree. They often scat away from death due to the fact that they are dual tank with crazy regen and speed. I'm not trying to nerf anything! I hate nerfing suit's or weapons to become unusable?! I would like to see them be more of an assault than a tanked scout. Way too many guys constantly tell me "man idk why you running scout instead just get a min assault". Currently they're right! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.28 06:11:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: gangups are supposed to be extremely lethal. Suits should ONLY be balanced on a 1v1 scenario. There is at no point a situation where I feel that anything but your own skill and ability to whip yer wang out and slap all comers should be your saving grace when you have two enemies attacking you whether at the same time or in rapid succession. So please "But there's TWO OF THEM" isn't something I consider valid argument. I think you get my point, but you're being grossly obtuse?! Not sure why? No I am in no way advocating that I, of all people lol, am about to start killing guys 2 and 3 at a time lol! My original post was covering the min assault being more like a scout than an actual assault. They constantly outrun scouts, but then guys say "stop tanking your scout"?! Then they say "don't tank speed" when you die super quick to everything?! Tanking Ewar is just so you can run away , and serve as a passive lighthouse lol! These arguments have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that pound for pound the min assault is actually serving more as a scout than assault on the field. Look at how you use it for crying out loud! It screams scout in every way, but Ewar. Hit and run, not "run and gun", like a scout! Fast regen, speed, and can damp pretty good as well. Choice of weapons (shotguns, pistols, Nova knives, PLC, etc) like a scout. All alpha damage weapons! Like scouts who use alpha damage weapons due to lack of sufficient ehp. However, the min assault has sufficient ehp! I would just like for guys to actually read the post, and respond to the post.... this is the forums I know, but every now and then just look past your favorite fit, and try to understand what's being said. Instead, I get guys attacking grammer, bs terrible comparisons of some 1v1 action, and super biased opinions?! You're telling me that all balance should be done 1v1 knowing full well only fools fight 1v1? Scenario 1: MD on the roof is area denial and area of effect fighting. Who is he 1v1ing with? He's not, he's fighting THE enemy! So if you are in a 1v1 situation he's about to make that fight real short! Scenario 2: Since 2 guys beat 1 every time I guess we're all just supposed to run around zerging the entire map? I mean why run scout? Infiltration, stealth, and assasination all go out the window because there are 2 guys there at that point right? Examples like these sound silly right? Well that's what you most often get here, but everyone wants to know what takes CCP so long to fix stuff lol! You can't achieve balance if everyone wants everything to stay broken to pad their kd shrugs "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.28 23:24:00 - [10] - Quote Perfect example of min assaults running the field as tanked scouts! Scout v min assault encounters are literally landslide victory to min assault, and Ewar means squat in a PC battle where the players themselves know how to hide in plain site like I do! Ewar takes a whole knew meaning in PC! https://youtu.be/CnCKL4TG9NI "Anybody order chaos?"

Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 04:49:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: dzizur wrote: Well, how about instead of nerfing everything around we come up with a real role for scout class instead of it's role being "hiding in a corner all match" @Breakin As for certains suits in each class overlapping other suits - why some suits are "special" to be able to overlap other suits while other can't? Where's balance in that? it's having options and not hamstringing player choices and playstyles Plus if you reduce minmatar speed you have to increase their HP Actually fine with that.... "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:31:00 - [12] - Quote SgtNoNeck Wasssup wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Perfect example of min assaults running the field as tanked scouts! Scout v min assault encounters are literally landslide victory to min assault, and Ewar means squat in a PC battle where the players themselves know how to hide in plain site like I do! Ewar takes a whole knew meaning in PC! https://youtu.be/CnCKL4TG9NI 1. You listed a pc where someone was using a bon's vs morons. 2. You have to run 2 to 3 kin kats to really make the Min assault fast extremely hard to fit with decent tank 3. Not all Min assault users use a Shotguns and if you base a nerf on the Min assault because of Shotguns you're a ******* idiot 4. Min assault is my main suit I have had it since uprising. If you think its so OP spec into it use it and find out yourself. 5. Considering how OP Gal and Cal assaults are going to be after the hotfix you really shouldn't be looking at the min assault. Ran min assault, and specced out of it because everyone specifically requested to counter scouts in the city as shown in the video. Bon's or no bon's! There's a video of silverwinds on youtube where I'm running the suit with a Boundless CR and Boundless sub 1v1 against him on delta, and I go 16/8 vs CapAqc like I'm some kind of slayer lol! No way in hades would that have happened in a gal assault lol! There are videos where guys have actually named this suit in particular "break hit detection" in their fittings lol! He would've been able to do the same thing with a duvolle specialist SG, and I know because I did it! Not because I'm just picking on min?! Everybody knows the suit doesn't take hits lol! The fact that you guys think me bringing it to CCP's requires so much name calling is comical! I let the video speak for itself, and there are tons more like it where countless "slayers" have abused it to rack up 60/70/80 kill videos lol! BTW I've ran every suit in the game for balance testing purposes and research. The only scout that has a chance 1v1 against a min assault consistently is a tanked amarr assault with scrambler rifle... mostly because of the scrambler rifle. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:36:00 - [13] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: SgtNoNeck Wasssup wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Perfect example of min assaults running the field as tanked scouts! Scout v min assault encounters are literally landslide victory to min assault, and Ewar means squat in a PC battle where the players themselves know how to hide in plain site like I do! Ewar takes a whole knew meaning in PC! https://youtu.be/CnCKL4TG9NI 1. You listed a pc where someone was using a bon's vs morons. 2. You have to run 2 to 3 kin kats to really make the Min assault fast extremely hard to fit with decent tank 3. Not all Min assault users use a Shotguns and if you base a nerf on the Min assault because of Shotguns you're a ******* idiot 4. Min assault is my main suit I have had it since uprising. If you think its so OP spec into it use it and find out yourself. 5. Considering how OP Gal and Cal assaults are going to be after the hotfix you really shouldn't be looking at the min assault. Not only that but I think he was scanned a grand total of one time the entire match (a scan that failed by the way, indicating it was some moron using a basic or advanced scanner in PC). Also: min assault was already nerfed pretty hard in the mobility department when stamina regen for their suits was cut across the board. A nerf that I advocated and was well deserved. Right now min assault is very well balanced and amarr assault is the outlier on the OP side (but then it was the outlier before the stam regen nerf anyway), meanwhile gal and cal assaults need various amounts of help. He was scanned as there were gal logies running around in bravo, 1 of which I know to have pro gal with scans, but for whatever reason the QQ on the forums indicates that being scanned means dying lol! "Naw bro I can't go forward, I've just been scanned" lol! Being scanned does not equate to being stopped! I've ran min assault tons, and I definitely never gave two f*cks about being scanned lol! Everybody is scanned in PC! Do you think we all just stopped what we're doing? Lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 19:16:00 - [14] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: SgtNoNeck Wasssup wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Perfect example of min assaults running the field as tanked scouts! Scout v min assault encounters are literally landslide victory to min assault, and Ewar means squat in a PC battle where the players themselves know how to hide in plain site like I do! Ewar takes a whole knew meaning in PC! https://youtu.be/CnCKL4TG9NI 1. You listed a pc where someone was using a bon's vs morons. 2. You have to run 2 to 3 kin kats to really make the Min assault fast extremely hard to fit with decent tank 3. Not all Min assault users use a Shotguns and if you base a nerf on the Min assault because of Shotguns you're a ******* idiot 4. Min assault is my main suit I have had it since uprising. If you think its so OP spec into it use it and find out yourself. 5. Considering how OP Gal and Cal assaults are going to be after the hotfix you really shouldn't be looking at the min assault. Not only that but I think he was scanned a grand total of one time the entire match (a scan that failed by the way, indicating it was some moron using a basic or advanced scanner in PC). Also: min assault was already nerfed pretty hard in the mobility department when stamina regen for their suits was cut across the board. A nerf that I advocated and was well deserved. Right now min assault is very well balanced and amarr assault is the outlier on the OP side (but then it was the outlier before the stam regen nerf anyway), meanwhile gal and cal assaults need various amounts of help. He was scanned as there were gal logies running around in bravo, 1 of which I know to have pro gal with scans, but for whatever reason the QQ on the forums indicates that being scanned means dying lol! "Naw bro I can't go forward, I've just been scanned" lol! Being scanned does not equate to being stopped! I've ran min assault tons, and I definitely never gave two fcks about being scanned lol! Everybody is scanned in PC! Do you think we all just stopped what we're doing? Lol! Except that he wasnt scanned at all in the entire video. If I missed him actually being hit by a successful scan give me a time stamp and let me know. Otherwise you're full of *. The team he was against was absolutely terrible. Contrast that with the scans they obviously had going, where they had everyone on point B lit up for the vast majority of the game. And here you think min assault is good because some guy is playing against a team. Well guess what, when the shotgunner never gets scanned and he repeatedly gets to run up behind heavies and their logis while they are perma scanned, hes going to have a field day. Anyone would have a field day. The fact is if a shotgunner is scanned and the heavies hes pushing up against are ready for him, he'll get wrecked. Not only that by while hes getting shut down by the scan hes incredibly vulnerable to a scout cruising up behind him and 2 shotting him before he can turn around. And you try and counter this claim with this video? Where the guy isnt scanned a single ***** time and hes toying with a bunch of crappy players and still dying a bunch of times? Get out of here. Lag plays a factor, but that's an entirely different subject. As a heavy in a point I can see the enemy coming a mile away, and still not stop him lol! If my tacnet shows the movement of a scout, but instead a shield tanked min assault with a bon's shows up my chanced of survival goes down drastically! That's my point about scans! If it moves like a scout, attacks like a scout, and shows up assault the tacnet won't help you with making a split second combat decision! Scanning him means squat! Do you really think an attacker or defender in PC has time to stop and analyze what something is on the tacnet before being attacked or attacking? Through lag, map fog, and constant fire? PC I'd one of the most fast paced modes in this game! It isn't the pubs where half of you bums quit anyway?! I can effectively scan everything on some of the biggest maps on the field, and still not stop a push! We always know they're coming, and usually know where they're coming from lol! Next time try to not compare pub experiences to PC! No one is even let into a PC match with a scanner below proto lol! A 200 meter scanner covers that whole city area in one scan! You think any of those suits are running damps trying to hide from a gal logi? Scanning only gives you a warm and fuzzy about the area around you. Not a perfect picture! I don't know why so many cry about scans when there are so many ways to kill guys who know you're there! Where the issue lies is when the tacnet clearly tells you "fast moving scout", but it's an assault built like a scout?! The min assault, as shown in the video, survived encounters no scout would have even if they had a bon's because he had 500+ shield! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 19:21:00 - [15] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Heres a better example from the same person This is a much more competitive battle right here, with the same team. Random Gunz vs. Fatal Absolution. You see he still went kill positive but didnt do nearly as good, the enemies are actually awake for this fight, and you can see people like Fusion Commander on the other team who was running a scout + bons and some other guys actually get better scores than him. Also hes providing commentary on the video which is mildly interesting. The fact is the Bons is OP and needs to be toned down, but shotgun/min assault is not. Get over it. Fusion commander runs a tanked Scotsman with a bon's in almost every PC recently lol! Do you even PC bro? I could take that "sleep" PC team and clean up so many of you it's comical lol! Done it against "random gunz" and others, and they can varify that I did it with players who hadn't broke 20 mil yet! Before you waste time pointing out different team levels, know what it is you're talking about! When you lead a team into battle let me know! o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 19:53:00 - [16] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: TacNet only tells you that enemies are there, if possible. If you're deducing from the TacNet what those enemies are then you have to also allow yourself for what's called Margin for Error. Just because you're deducing wrong what a unit is between when you "see" him after scanning and you actually see him physically DOES NOT warrant a frame/fit nerf. It doesn't warrant a qq thread either, tbh. Does no one you PC with use voicecomms to describe enemy unit movements? Wait, let me guess, its a bunch of squeakers calling out, "He ran that way!!" Am I right? "Over there!! He's over there!" "To the right! He went right!!" lol In TOP? ..... Yeah, you're right lol! And yes you're right about the tacnet 100% which is what I thought I typed? That was exactly my point, but the tears in the forums suggest scanners are a plague.... shrugs You're discription of comms is funny.... I've only had the pleasure of experiencing it out of a few that I had to teach.... somebodies gotta do it right? My point about the speed has been made already, and I think you guys got the jist about the min assault/scout comparison as well. I appreciate your point of views on the subject, and you've actually helped me get closer to my point than you've realized! We've covered more than one issue, and a number of points here about different subjects! I've learned alot about individuals and their preferences as well! The abundant use of the suit will eventually earn it's own future tweaks regardless, and pointing out an opinion isn't a crime last I checked... shrugs As for those wanting to bash players knowing full well every PC team they may have bench rode on has been top tier, and they've never been close to leading a team or playing on a team of any skill level and won without big names.... Please get into PC! I'd love to see the team you built go up against the like of FA, RG, CA, SOG, Prima, PE(Pure evil and planet express), OH, NF, EB, Glory, KEQ, and man I've fought alot of teams lol! Didn't even touch the euro and south American teams! You know what's great about them all! They don't throw dirt from the sideline! Like so many others with their canned excuses about the game, and everything else they come up with?! Until next subject guys o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 19:57:00 - [17] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Heres a better example from the same person This is a much more competitive battle right here, with the same team. Random Gunz vs. Fatal Absolution. You see he still went kill positive but didnt do nearly as good, the enemies are actually awake for this fight, and you can see people like Fusion Commander on the other team who was running a scout + bons and some other guys actually get better scores than him. Also hes providing commentary on the video which is mildly interesting. The fact is the Bons is OP and needs to be toned down, but shotgun/min assault is not. Get over it. Fusion commander runs a tanked Scotsman with a bon's in almost every PC recently lol! Do you even PC bro? I could take that "sleep" PC team and clean up so many of you it's comical lol! Done it against "random gunz" and others, and they can varify that I did it with players who hadn't broke 20 mil yet! Before you waste time pointing out different team levels, know what it is you're talking about! When you lead a team into battle let me know! o7 So how do you explain fusion commander with bons/gal scout doing way better than the guy running bons/min assault? How does this prove your point that min assault is OP? Silver says in the video that its because Fusion can prey on the bad people on his team, which Im sure is partially true, but that narrative kind of falls down when you realize fusion commander kills him one on one quite a few times in that video. And I dont care how good that sleeping team could do with a good FC, fact is in that particular battle they played like trash. Everyone has their tough ones.... but I've seen more vids of DEATH CARD, than uh.... whoever that is you're in there, on vids not making excuses and putting in work! Must be nice to know everything from the bench.... "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 20:00:00 - [18] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Please get into PC! Framerate fix when? Not waiting on it over here! In combat when supplies are low we don't throw our hands up because we're starving?! What are you, french? Framer ate fix comes when it comes, and I'll rejoice when it does believe me, but I'm not waiting for it with my thumb in my *ss! Some matches I've lagged so bad..... OMG!!! But the next battle I'm right there, and those ones where I don't lag I show up and show out! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 20:17:00 - [19] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Heres a better example from the same person This is a much more competitive battle right here, with the same team. Random Gunz vs. Fatal Absolution. You see he still went kill positive but didnt do nearly as good, the enemies are actually awake for this fight, and you can see people like Fusion Commander on the other team who was running a scout + bons and some other guys actually get better scores than him. Also hes providing commentary on the video which is mildly interesting. The fact is the Bons is OP and needs to be toned down, but shotgun/min assault is not. Get over it. Fusion commander runs a tanked Scotsman with a bon's in almost every PC recently lol! Do you even PC bro? I could take that "sleep" PC team and clean up so many of you it's comical lol! Done it against "random gunz" and others, and they can varify that I did it with players who hadn't broke 20 mil yet! Before you waste time pointing out different team levels, know what it is you're talking about! When you lead a team into battle let me know! o7 So how do you explain fusion commander with bons/gal scout doing way better than the guy running bons/min assault? How does this prove your point that min assault is OP? Silver says in the video that its because Fusion can prey on the bad people on his team, which Im sure is partially true, but that narrative kind of falls down when you realize fusion commander kills him one on one quite a few times in that video. And I dont care how good that sleeping team could do with a good FC, fact is in that particular battle they played like trash. Everyone has their tough ones.... but I've seen more vids of DEATH CARD, than uh.... whoever that is you're in there, on vids not making excuses and putting in work! Must be nice to know everything from the bench.... Avoid the point and make personal attacks, looks like your debate ready with those tactics. Im not the best around but Ill put my abilities up against any player and be comfortable with the results, but that doesnt really matter regarding the question above I gave you about Gal Scout vs. Min Assault, why is it that the guy using the Gal Scout did significantly better than the guy using the Min Assault? Statically in those encounters it's a known fact that teams want min assault to take, counter scouts, and hold the city! You specifically searched for a known anomaly in fusion commander lol! I could go show you about 20 scouts that could do the same thing lol! I'm not saying I absolutely can not kill them, but I am saying the min assault is CLEARLY better than the scout of any race at the role, specifically in close quarters! This isn't being denied by any of you, just debated?! Which has already confirmed my point. One of the most critical points of any PC, since you don't know, is initial contact! This is where the min assault is crushing scouts to the point that there are teams just running in 6 min assaults deep, not trying to get there 1st, but to simply kill the scouts that did and counter hack. Fusion commander has been running slayer scout since day lol! Is that your one comparison? That's like me going to get a vid of Cyrius Li Moody and showing you how heavies do bad against min scout in it's OP hay day lol! Dude slaughtered entire squads of heavies and logis, but I'm going to use it to prove that gal heavy is fine in comparison to amarr heavy?! Really?! Ask yourself, are you helping the community get closer to greater balance in roles, or just helping yourself in the pubs? I could've easily stayed min and amarr assault to pad my kd like so many others, but instead, like so many others, I saw how unbalanced they were. Especially the amarr assault, and have been advocating for better balance. Don't confuse balance with advantage! Alot of you do! The suit's should all have advantages and disadvantages! What I'm talking about is the clear fact that the min assaults disadvantage, low ehp, is the one disadvantage that means nothing to them as they slay just fine ehp be d*mned! Show me where low ehp has stopped them, and also show me another disadvantage? I can't find any, and they are capable of taking on any suit in tank, speed, Ewar, firepower, and so many others! Not just flat out, but it can get an advantage in one way or another on every suit in the game, and you can't tell me every other suit can do that! It's specific advantage over scouts is shield tank, and not matching speed, but enough to make the scout naked if it wants to outrun a min assault. While the min assault is shielded to it's ears in enough shield to withstand multiple attackers of different types! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 20:19:00 - [20] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: TacNet only tells you that enemies are there, if possible. If you're deducing from the TacNet what those enemies are then you have to also allow yourself for what's called Margin for Error. Just because you're deducing wrong what a unit is between when you "see" him after scanning and you actually see him physically DOES NOT warrant a frame/fit nerf. It doesn't warrant a qq thread either, tbh. Does no one you PC with use voicecomms to describe enemy unit movements? Wait, let me guess, its a bunch of squeakers calling out, "He ran that way!!" Am I right? "Over there!! He's over there!" "To the right! He went right!!" lol In TOP? ..... Yeah, you're right lol! And yes you're right about the tacnet 100% which is what I thought I typed? That was exactly my point, but the tears in the forums suggest scanners are a plague.... shrugs You're discription of comms is funny.... I've only had the pleasure of experiencing it out of a few that I had to teach.... somebodies gotta do it right? My point about the speed has been made already, and I think you guys got the jist about the min assault/scout comparison as well. I appreciate your point of views on the subject, and you've actually helped me get closer to my point than you've realized! We've covered more than one issue, and a number of points here about different subjects! I've learned alot about individuals and their preferences as well! The abundant use of the suit will eventually earn it's own future tweaks regardless, and pointing out an opinion isn't a crime last I checked... shrugs As for those wanting to bash players knowing full well every PC team they may have bench rode on has been top tier, and they've never been close to leading a team or playing on a team of any skill level and won without big names.... Please get into PC! I'd love to see the team you built go up against the like of FA, RG, CA, SOG, Prima, PE(Pure evil and planet express), OH, NF, EB, Glory, KEQ, and man I've fought alot of teams lol! Didn't even touch the euro and south American teams! You know what's great about them all! They don't throw dirt from the sideline! Like so many others with their canned excuses about the game, and everything else they come up with?! Until next subject guys o7 A little all over the place but thats fine. Good Luck, Have Fun and if you ever need to know where my PC experience is based at- http://dustboard.com/global o7 Directed toward the group as I thought you would've got that, and more so toward vespus or whatever who's barking about bad teams... I haven't seen him on any team so... "Anybody order chaos?"

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